Study extra in regards to the GM C&H our bodies launched in 1985-7 (C our bodies: Oldsmobile 98; Buick Electra; Cadillac Deville / H our bodies: …
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Study extra in regards to the GM C&H our bodies launched in 1985-7 (C our bodies: Oldsmobile 98; Buick Electra; Cadillac Deville / H our bodies: …
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I love all the glass of this car and the low belt line. It’s really a gorgeous car. I want one!
I like the sealed beam headlight too
Somewhere in that zip code, LOL
Just found your channel.
LOVE IT!!!!
My 1st car was a 1986 Olds 98. I sure miss it. It had leather seats and a digital dash. I sure miss that car. I’d like to get another 98 with a digital dash.
My mom friend who was a pawn shop owner got a 1988 98 regency brougham in the early 1990's (for very cheap), it was mint and I was supposed to have it as my first car but it was t-boned going to the car wash 4 days before I had my drivers license.
My dad had the Buick version – 1986 Park Avenue that I learned to drive on. The timing chain skipped while pulling the fishing boat from the boat launch. Lucky the next guy had a tow strap. Thanks for the vid. Takes me back
LOL…. No offense or anything to the people that actually like this pos, but I was an Oldsmobile dealer technician in the 80's and these things had some of the dumbest and really terrible problems.
The windows fell of the track constantly and the window switches failed often.
The rear tire geometry creating horrible wear patterns was impossible to correct.
If you lived in cold climates, the rack and pinion would leak internally causing the steering assist to fail intermittently. I replaced several of them every week. (At first they had us rebuild them with a kit. lol… after that didn't work over the entire fleet, GM gave us complete new racks to install.
The weight distribution was SO bad that it felt like the roll center was a mile high. The torque steer was ridiculous.
Those stupid wheel covers were rarely quiet making a lot of squeaky noise. Vast amounts of time was spent trying to get them quiet.
The "rich" door panels?! And that stupid chime module….. lol Surely you jest.
I like the impression that I get from these…I've heard that the later Buick versions are virtually unkillable.
My car was underated I would smoke most foreign cars in the day
You bastard!! Michigander that lived in NC. I was just in St. Clair Shores from NC this morning. Just got back, (not home, but back….) Dig the shit outta the love and insight for Detroit Iron. Keep em' going 👍
I’d call it a shimmy.
You buy gm fwd full-size. Are you me
I’m in upstate NY. This car is mint.
My parents had a 98 just like this one drove it for 12 years then traded for a 1999 Park Avenue Ultra.
Absolutely agree with all. Some of the best cars GM ever made. My favorite is the Electra T type
My parents had a 1990 Buick LeSabre Limited. Same power train (3.8, actually 3800 V6). The Buicks had the claimshell hood. The interior of the Limited LeSabre was every bit as nice as the Park Avenue and 98 Brougham. That thing lasted 17 years and hardly gave any trouble. Just the alternator replaced and that's typical GM.
Hello Adam, I found your channel a few weeks ago and have been eating everything up. Awesome stuff! It's been a pleasure watching you go through your collection and the designer interviews are fantastic! Bob Lutz too! Have to ask – do you have any knowledge or experience with the final Olds 98, the 1991-1996 generation? I just picked up a really nice 1996 98 and find the design fascinating. It's attributed to Chuck Jordan (wikipedia) but I have to think that many others were involved. Maybe Mr. Manoogian remembers? It's a really quite different design that does not share much with other contemporary GM cars, and seems to owe more to the full size sedans of the '60s than anything. Would be amazing to learn more about it from people who were there at GM design in the late '80s / early '90s. Thanks again for Bringin' Brougham Back (yeah).
My eyes hurt,…..
imho, I don't care what all the people from the US say, but if I had to award any GM engine the award of best american engine, it would be the 3.8L-3800 range, it went from a solid V6 to an engine which even made the V8's look like chumps.
I had one and it was a great car.. very dependable and comfortable.
I would say most (if not all) domestic automobile engines over the years had offset gudgeon/piston pins which tends to reduce the piston rocking in the bore-and the attendant noise and wear that accompanies it. Offset pins didn't seem to help the early LS 5.7s and 5.3s as they sounded like a diesel during cold start thanks to piston slap. There has been talk over the years that reversing the pistons 180 degrees on the rods is worth a little power, but I've never seen a dyno or 1/8 mile test that definitively showed a measurable difference.
My soft spot for these vehicles is larger than yours. I don’t know why, I don’t know how it happened. I’ve never known anybody who owned one. But I have always absolutely loved them. And now I am on the hunt for a 1988 Olds Delta 88 or similar.
We had a 86 buick park avenue and a 89 Olds 98, both great cars.
My first car was a 1989 Park Avenue (non-ultra but with a lot of options). I have to say, maybe mine was a bad example, but with the 3800 in mine, I was unimpressed by the power and overall performance. I was also getting 16 miles per gallon with mostly city driving. It had 165 hp according to the specs, but honestly my 300SD with 125 hp feels much more powerful and also gets better mileage. The only thing I liked performance-wise was the Teves Mk. II ABS, which I had to repair myself since nobody knew what it was. I was also terribly disappointed with the build quality at just under 140,000 miles. Everything was rattling and shaking inside to the point that the digital gauge cluster shut itself off over bumps. Again, maybe I had a bad example, but it felt very cheap and I haven't had any desire to buy an American car of that vintage or newer since. My 1986 Toyota Camry had almost as much cabin space aside from being narrower and performance wise wasn't that much different with 95 hp, and it was much better made.
Elegant
My mom owned a 1989 Oldsmobile 88 Royale Brougham with lower miles on it and it was truly an excellent car. It ran great, had an extremely comfortable interior, and it rode like a dream.
Had a 1988 Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciara with the 2.8 Multiport FE with the sluggish 3speed auto without overdrive. Blue paint and trunk luggage rack.
The transmission is what died on it. Otherwise the motor was peppy enough with that FE. Adam's right about the interior space. You get a feeling of roominess sitting in any of the seats .
I miss the comfort of a cushiony soft bench seat. Cars like this aren't supposed to be sports cars, they're made to be comfortable cruisers. I've always preferred the layout of the horizontal speedometer. Yeah, it takes up space, but small price to pay for style
My dad had one of those cars when I was younger and still swears its the best highway cruiser he's ever owned,
I had an 86 Tornado with that engine & it ran extremely well.
In what universe did it ever make sense to have a hood ornament with one logo directly above an emblem with another logo? Lol. Great car.
Never understood this move by GM.
They were killed by the competition (demonstrated by the infamous commercial by Lincoln).
I always wished I could go back in time and ask the people who designed this car some questions, it seems clear that they didn't like cars.
I understand they were trying to hit some MPG goals. No excuse for this bland transport box, with a luxury name and price.
They should have kept this in the Delta/Lesabre class, and given the Regency/Electra/Deville a really nice update (on the OLD PROVEN PLATFORM).
They could have put the weakest engine in those big B bodies for MPG; the average big car luxury body didn't care. Often those cars made 150hp or less, but the gearing made low speed driving fine, and the highway speed limit was still 55 mph for 10 years (and never thought to go away, ever).
Then, they would have been perfectly stationed; if gas skyrocketed, easy to update the Delta/Lesabre up to a more luxury class.
If gas prices remained low, they could have continued to update the old platform for traditional customers (as they finally woke up and did with the Roadmaster and Custom Cruiser and Fleetwood rebadged and slightly modified Caprice platform).
This is the era when someone at GM said "we stopped designing our cars".
True.
They look like they are still in the box they came in.
Would have been great, roomy, conservative mid-priced cars, but under restyled (and UPpriced to keep the average fleet MPG number down) flagship B Body RWD models that could be built cheaply, and cancelled easily if needed.
Or expanded, if the fuel prices and economy allowed.
Like Ford did.
And I don't buy AT ALL that "these were to compete with Europe".
Nope.
Most European luxury cars were very sleek, rear wheel drive, and of much higher quality.
Ford hit this market very well with the Taurus family.
And in a very puzzling move for GM, they couldn't even replicate their own previous advantages, such as a completely flat floor like in their front wheel drive large cars from just 10 years earlier.
Hard to sell the advantages of FWD if you still have a "transmission" tunnel instead of the revolutionary completely flat floor. A few extra cubic feet of rarely used trunk space is not a fair trade for that feature that would have been a strong selling point (in a model with very few positive features for the typical target buyer).
This would have been better slotted as a "premium midsized" car in the Regal/Cutlass or Lesabre/Delta platforms.
Dumping proven, truly luxurious RWD, extravagant, V8, plush full sized cars was a HUGE mistake. Even if they were slow, or even V6 as was offered in the Lesabre B body, they gave a much better ride, isolation, and traditional body on frame rear wheel drive orientation and durability that most buyers knew/wanted.
These cars were part of the death shot that killed this entire division and drove GM to bankruptcy.
They can be as space efficient as can be, but that simply is not the main buyer incentive for most buyers, especially older, traditional near luxury car customers.
GM had the capital to cover all bases (like Ford did), and how they made such a huge mistake, not able to compete with either Ford nor the Europeans, they essentially made a car that appealed to no one but GM devoted bean counters who don't care about style.
And they could get 90% of the same car with almost identical looks for MUCH less in a Century of Cutlass Ciera, since most cars have 1 or 2 passenger the vast majority of the time, a large back seat doesn't compensate.
Especially when the cars look so similar. You have to give customers SOMETHING for their money, even if it is perceived value. These cars took away nearly all the perceived (and real) value of the previous models, and had the gall to be priced more than those superior models.
Cars without customers, that nearly killed one of America's biggest, most successful companies in a few short years.
Shame.
People say that makes them "feel unsafe" whereas the modern no glass makes them feel safer. I HATE the new car/suv concept!!!!
Honestly I wish I had a good thing to say about 1980s GM cars, especially these FWD automatic ones. I owned a couple of them back in the 80s and 90s and I have to say they are in my opinion the worst cars ever made. Cheap plies of junk that had no acceleration, no speed, handled like wet dog shit, the brakes were terribly undersized and brake fade was horrible, the build quality was terrible, and they rattled and squeaked. The transmissions were absolutely horrible, the paint peeled off in sheets, the bodies rusted out in a few years. They were a nightmare to work on (compared to 60s and 70s cars) There was literally not one good thing about these cars.
I had a 1995 Buick Park Avenue, that up until this day has been my favorite car. I owned it for 9 years, and even had a new 1991 Park Avenue Ultra in the garage at the same time. I never developed the love for the 91 Park Avenue that I had for the 85. Even the ride quality of my 2018 Lincoln Continental to me pales in comparison. Although by modern standards the Continental handles better on winding roads.
We bought an ‘06 Delta 88 new. Traded an ‘82 Trans Am with the 305 chevy engine. Salesman joked that the delta would outrun the TA. I think he was right 😀
I feel like this one may have an exhaust leak however. Sounds like it, unless the cat was hollowed out. Then it could be that.
My first car was an 86 delta 88. It was a phenomenal car. That 3800 was a truly bulletproof engine.
It's not the first front wheel drive GM car made! I'm sure you heard of the Oldsmobile Toronado that is first of front-wheel drive! Then again it's YouTube no one wants to do their research!, correctly!!
6:55 My wife would always bring a sweater or coat, in the summertime.
Because on long highway trips, I would turn the air conditioning to the coldest setting. To help, keep me alert.
17:32 Oldsmobile Delta 88
I added a two position switch, to turn the pick-up converter off/on.
No need to lose 10% fuel economy, on long highway trips.
A guy I worked for had the Royale with soft roof. My folks drove volvos so riding in this was like being in a Rolls for me!
Would be amazing to swap a supercharged 3800 into this.
16:16 OMG when this man opens the hood. The cleanliness is unreal. I have never seen a car of this age this clean!
No way. Absolute junk
I had an '87 that was red on red. My gf at the time got in it once and said "wow it's comfy" when she opened the door because I'd left it running with a Lorde CD playing at night. And she'd ridden in it before.
Cars like that with a fatass and FWD are fun on dirt and gravel. My 98 was kind of shitty, though.
this car confirm the end of the golden age of american car industry.